Gee, I know we all look alike, but geez! Don't confuse "white privilege" with just plain "rich privilege". Rich Jews are predominantly white, but they never cracked the white world of WASP privilege of past centuries any more than the blacks, the micks or so many other ethnic minorities.
In the case of Jewish wealth, it is more a function of ethnicity than of color isn't it? Does white priviledge extend to Asian countries? Shoot, I'm white and went to school with W, but I never had the privileges extended to me that most of the connected WASP's did whom I was schooled with regardless of their ability. Quite honestly, I think that white resentment to AA is in the lower and middle classes more than anywhere else in white circles. Rich people of any color don't have much to beef about.
I will say that being white is a huge advantage when traveling in places like Cuba, Costa Rica or Peru (or pretty much any developing world country I suppose). When I am down there, I can go wherever I want and do whatever I want, and nobody really ever cares. It is my "gringo passport".
I think a lot of people confuse "privilege" with "lack of persecution." Granted, its a bit of a sliding scale and there's overlap, but I'm not sure I'd say they're the same thing.
I will say that being white is a huge advantage when traveling in places like Cuba, Costa Rica or Peru (or pretty much any developing world country I suppose). When I am down there, I can go wherever I want and do whatever I want, and nobody really ever cares. It is my "gringo passport".
I totally get this. Being white is better in those countries than being from the native peoples too. So in most if not all of Western Culture, the perception is that it is a white man's world. But I think the golden rule, "he who has the gold makes the rules", trumps most privilege of color, real or perceived.
I think it is all about how you present yourself. The clothes you wear, your body language, the way you talk, the way you act, etc. If you dress and act like a hippy, don't be surprised if someone thinks you might smoke pot. It's got nothing to do with your skin color. I'm not surprised and definitely don't get pissed off if I get searched at the airport if I'm wearing a hoody, baggy jeans, and a backwards hat.
I will say that being white is a huge advantage when traveling in places like Cuba, Costa Rica or Peru (or pretty much any developing world country I suppose). When I am down there, I can go wherever I want and do whatever I want, and nobody really ever cares. It is my "gringo passport".
Even if those prestigious law firms are under intense pressure to hire African-Americans and move them to partnership, it's got to be incredibly difficult.
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For applicants to law school for Fall 2007, the average "Caucasian/White" applicant to law school had an LSAT score of 154.9, and an undergraduate GPA of 3.32. The average "Black/African American" applicant had a LSAT score of 143.7 and an undergraduate GPA of 2.96. The standard deviation for LSAT scores is 9.97.
For law school matriculants in Fall 2007, the averages were 158/3.40 for whites, and 150/3.16 for African Americans.
Asian Americans had very similar scores to whites, on average, and Hispanics' scores were very close to midpoint between the scores of whites/Asians and African Americans.
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Using a standard 1,000-point scale to reflect both L.S.A.T. scores and undergraduate grade-point averages, Professor Sander writes, the average black student's score was 130 to 170 points below that of the average white student.
Once at law school, the average black student gets lower grades than white students: 52 percent of black students are in the bottom 10th of their first-year law school classes, while only 8 percent are in the top half. And the grades of black students drop slightly in relative terms from the first year of law school to the third.
Fair point. I guess I should restate that white priviledge is not experienced by all white people in society, which reinforces my point about priviledge being based more on socioeconomic background than anything else. For those white people, the priviledge came from winning a rigged game for years, allowing them to accumulate wealth, education, and position their decendents for a time where society is more balanced in terms of equal rights. The game changer is the fact that they have had several generations head start on the rest of the players, putting these groups in positions of power, which results in the assumption of some sort of blanket priviledge afforded to white people.
The institutions that may have embodied these priviledges at one time now swing the other way. My MBA endeavor/job search in finance has left me with little doubt of this. I'm really trying to think of a time that I experienced "white priviledge" outside of maybe not getting pulled over by cops for no reason (which I think is more of a black oppression thing that a white priviledge, since crappy asian woman drivers never seem to get pulled over ).
I couldn't more strongly support an affirmative action program based on socio-economic status, but no one's really arguing against that here...
I am. I think that socio economic based AA still doesnt address the core hiring/promoting issue. Namely that all else being equal, people tend to hire and promote people that look like them. And since most of the people that are doing the hiring are white, it seems far more likely that without race based AA whites would just continue hiring whites over minorities, even if the whites came from poor backgrounds and the minorities came from more affluent backgrounds.
Serious question (only having read pages 1 and 6 of this thread,)
What advantage does a white person who is not a legacy have when applying to universities? I'm genuinely curious as I'll be applying to transfer to a 4 year soon and I'd like to take full advantage of any special white privilege.
I can't believe this is a legitimate question. Wow, just wow. Even I, as a black man, give white people the benefit of doubt more than blacks (as a whole). All of you do.
Whites have victim mentalities just as badly as blacks. Everybody thinks they're being screwed. What was the point of raising this ridiculous question in the first place?
Having said that, I am pretty ashamed about AA. It totally sucks as it is now.
Ummm, getting robbed maybe? Just because someone is nice to you because they are trying to sell you something doesn't mean you are getting the red carpet treatment, sometimes they are trying to take advantage of you. In some countries even the cops are looking for handouts. I've personally paid off cops multiple times for doing absolutely nothing in Mexico, I have also paid for things like car insurance in a free parking lot, which was a fee paid to locals so they didn't steal my car. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't advantages, but lets not act like there aren't disadvantages.
Serious question (only having read pages 1 and 6 of this thread,)
What advantage does a white person who is not a legacy have when applying to universities? I'm genuinely curious as I'll be applying to transfer to a 4 year soon and I'd like to take full advantage of any special white privilege.
Thanks in advance!
Go to Howard U or Morgan St. U. You'll get a full ride minority scholly.
Serious question (only having read pages 1 and 6 of this thread,)
What advantage does a white person who is not a legacy have when applying to universities? I'm genuinely curious as I'll be applying to transfer to a 4 year soon and I'd like to take full advantage of any special white privilege.
Thanks in advance!
WTF? White privilege doesn't just mean advantages in college applications. It means the 100 other ways in everyday life where you are treated differently (generally speaking, better).
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